Matanya Ophee ([info]matanya) wrote,
@ 2005-03-03 14:50:00
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I must be getting out of touch....
Any one had seen or heard a recording of the Boccherini Guitar Quintets by one Giangiacomo Pinardi?

Never heard of this man before, which does not mean much, since there are a lot of people I have never heard of before. But Googling this name, reveals that he has already a few CDs to his name where he plays guitar, theorboe and mandolin. I am perfectly aware that there are a lot of young men and women coming out of the wood works fast and furious, at a rate that is probably a bit more favorable than the rate of hasbeens moving away from music performance and into the real-estate and insurance sales business. But I have not heard of Pinardi. If any of his CDs have been reviewed in the guitar press, and I am on the omaggio list for most of them (I do pay a subscription to Soundboard and for the Guitar Review. The first because I have been a supporter of the GFA since almost its very beginning, and the second because I want to be sure to have the last issue, so my collection of GR will be complete... a Complete Run is worth a lot more money... I must have missed it.

The reason I am interested in this name is because he was mentioned as an authority on the provenance of the Boccherini guitar quintets. Having written the definitive book on the subject in 1981, a book that was hailed as “. . . absolutely convincing and brilliant. . .” by none other than Yves Gérard, the author of the Boccherini Thematic Catalogue of 1969, I am curious if this man Pinardi knows something about the subject which I do not.

So before I rush out to Border's to see if I can scare up a copy of this CD, I would like to know if anybody knows of any serious scholarly writings by Pinardi on the subject, over and above whatever he has written in the liner notes to his CD. Contrary to some other soi-disant experts one finds at every twist and turn around the Internet turnpike, I normally discount the information given in liner notes, (even if written by myself...) as a reliable source on historical matters. To illustrate the point, here are excerpts from an online review of the Pinardi recording:

Transcribed from earlier cello and piano quintets to accommodate a guitar-playing marquis, these two quintets (Boccherini composed six in this untitled series) seamlessly cobble together movements from different compositions.[...] Boccherini infuses the quintets' concluding movements with themes from Spanish popular music. An energetic fandango—replete with castanets—caps the D-major quintet and scene-painting variations on a military march close the C major.

Such reviews, traditionally, take their information directly from the liner notes. Record reviewers, with few exceptions, are not known to be conversant with the scholarly literature directly. If so, the liner notes tell us two blatantly false bits of information:

1. Boccherini arranged only six quintets (In my book, I give the details of the 9 existing quintets, and of the other 6, a total of 15!, that are known by literary reference).

2. The Ritirata di Madrid is an integral part of the C Major quintet. (It is not. It is a completely separate entity, coming from a completely separate Boccherini work, existing in 1923-26 in a completely separate manuscript, now lost. It was cobbled together with the C Major quintet and published as one work by Heinrich Albert in 1926.)

Obviously, there is always the possibility that Mr. Pinardi, or whoever wrote the liner notes to his recording, had discovered an original source for the C Major quintet which includes the Ritirata, and if so, I would be most interested to learn about it. But there is no way he could make 3 existing quintets disappear, Update: particularly, when the recording in question contains two quintets that are not part of the six in LoC, the C Major (G.324) and the Ritirata (G.418). Hence, my curiosity.

Any assistance here would be much appreciated.

Update:(March 5, 2005):

So for lack of testimonies by people who have heard the Pinardi recording (on the Virgin Classics label), I just ordered a copy of this from CDNow. When it gets here, I should be able to tell more on the problem at hand, and I will.


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[info]calatrava
2005-03-04 06:41 am UTC (link)
It's not my field, Matanya, but I wouldn't care.

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[info]matanya
2005-03-04 05:08 pm UTC (link)
But at least, I was wondering if you even had heard of this man...

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[info]calatrava
2005-03-05 04:02 am UTC (link)
No, like you I haven't heard of him.

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[info]wudjuwait
2005-03-04 01:53 pm UTC (link)
sorry can't help perhaps you could ask him? just curious why did you choose boccherini as a subject for a book?

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[info]matanya
2005-03-04 05:00 pm UTC (link)
just curious why did you choose boccherini as a subject for a book?

The subject chose me. It's a long story, but basically: during my search for information on François de Fossa, I found in Perpignan the correspondence between de Fossa and Louis Picquot, which led me to deduce that the manuscript of the six Boccherini quintets in the Library of Congress in Washington is a copy made by FdF, and not an autograph Boccherini as was assumed by Yves Gérard. It seemed to me rather strange that such a rich historical source as the de Fossa archives in Perpignan was never even touched by French scholars, and definitely not by French guitar historians. So to put my foot in the door, so to speak, I did this book. In essence, it is actually an extended article which I could have submitted to some scholarly journal, but knowing that it would take some 3-4 years for the article to make its way through the scholarly pipeline, and in the process, the discovery of the correspondence in Perpignan would become general knowledge, I decided to publish it myself, and right away. I had some very good help at the time from Brian Jeffery who was then living in my house in Boston (341 Commonwealth Ave....), and from Margarita whose acquaintance I just made at the time. So from a strictly scholarly point of view, my rear-end was covered.

The arguments I made were solid, even though at the time I did not have access to a musical autograph written by de Fossa (I do now), was immediately acknowledged by Yves Gérard in a letter to me which he allowed me to quote.

It goes without saying that after 22 years since the publication of my book, a lot of new information about the Boccherini quintets had come to light which is not included in my book. So when some of my dear MO-Bashers insinuates that Signor Pinardi knows something about the subject that I do not, my curiosity is piqued. Who knows, maybe he does have something....

I guess I am just going to have to buy this CD.

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[info]matanya
2005-03-04 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Oops. That's 24 years by now...

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[info]wudjuwait
2005-03-05 02:22 am UTC (link)
thanks, it's nice when one thing leads on to another.

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I must be getting out of touch....
[info]adeadgbe
2005-03-05 10:22 pm UTC (link)
I play several of the quintets with my group; our instrumentation being guitar, mandolin (domra), violin, viola, and double bass. Works quite well with Boccherini. B's father was a bassist, and we have often wondered if it was done with B. quintets what was done often enough in early Haydn, substituting bass for 'cello. Any thoughts on this MO?

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[info]matanya
2005-03-06 02:25 am UTC (link)
I have long contended, much to the distress of those who believe in HIP, that what really matters in music is the performance itself, not any slavish attention to arcane details. The old guys not interested in Historically Informed Performance, but in making good music for themselves and their audience. Often enough, they'd grab whatever instruments were available, regardless of what it said in the score. In much of this music, the cello part is not marked as for violoncello, but simply for basso. Considering that Boccherini himself was a cellist, it stands to reason that he meant the part to be for the cello, as was common practice at the time. Playing it on the doublebass as is, places the entire tessitura an octave lower. To judge how well that works out, one would really have to examine the score and see if this change in voicing has any deleterious effect on the voice leading. But even if it does, the actual performance and the musicianship of the group, would be what makes or breaks the chnage in instrumentation.

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Re: I must be getting out of touch....
[info]adeadgbe
2005-03-06 11:17 pm UTC (link)
Good point about the tessitura. In our version of the "Fandango" Quintet #4, the bass plays the 'cello part to excellent affect in the Grave-Fandango, and also in the Pastorale. However, in the Allegro maestoso, the 'cello part is simply too high in most places so I play it on the guitar, and have the bass doubling the guitar part's bass line, an octave lower. Sounds great.

Given the 'cello part is marked basso, thanks for this piece of information, and Boccherini's father played bass, it is likely that bass was used in this music, at least some of the time. Likely of course, not definitely, since we don't know for sure. I wish the Time Machine project Christo is reportedly working on gets finished soon.

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